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OrangeArrow · Mar 07, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

No one uses zealous on a hammer because its too slow to be of any benefit .
Hammer is the most energy intensive warrior weapon thats why there are a lot of R/W bunny thumpers out there
Add a 2-1 Zealous hammer haft so people might actually use zealous on a hammer.

Murder In China · Mar 07, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

/Agree to the Max!

Vilaptca · Mar 07, 2006, 01:36 AM // 01:36

People still use hammers?

Murder In China · Mar 07, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

I do when I feel like shutting people down.

AeroLion · Mar 07, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vilaptca

People still use hammers?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeArrow

Hammer is the most energy intensive warrior weapon thats why there are a lot of R/W bunny thumpers out there

Yes they do and the OP has already answered why R/W is the most popular class for hammer users. Try to add something to the discussion next time.

/signed

Very good idea and not overpowering. You would still have to choose between expertise for more attacks or stronger attacks on a W primary but it would actually be a choice for once.

BigTru · Mar 07, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Same thing for Bows, also.

/signed

fenix · Mar 07, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

/signed and double /signed

Great idea, Hammers need that boost, because the energy quite hard to maintain if you are a warrior with normal Zealous.

Murder In China · Mar 07, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigTru

Same thing for Bows, also.

/signed

Zealous bow string + Barrage = no need for 2/1 Zealous bow string.

BigTru · Mar 07, 2006, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Zealous bow string + Barrage = no need for 2/1 Zealous bow string.

Crude Swing/Frenzy = No need for 2/1?

Bow's still need some zealouslove, regardless of one or two skills which make 1:1 better. That's the reason why Bows and Hammers have 5:1 Vamps instead of 3:1.

Murder In China · Mar 07, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Barrage on 2 targets or more = lots of mana.

BigTru · Mar 07, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Crude Swing on 2 targets or more = lots of mana.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Mar 07, 2006, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Crude Swing = easily interrupted = wasted 5 energy = no energy gain
I suggest renaming "Crude Swing" to "Graceful Swing",
and remove the "This action is easily interrupted."

To further beef up this skill, add
"This action cannot be interrupted."
Perhaps rename it to something like "Concentrated Swing"

/signed for 2:1 Zealous Hammer upgrade

BigTru · Mar 07, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Crude Swing = easily interrupted = wasted 5 energy = no energy gain

I suggest renaming "Crude Swing" to "Graceful Swing"

and remove the "This action is easily interrupted."

We aren't here to argue about skill faults and skill balance, because obviously Barrage has a lot of faults (which is why you almost never see it in anything other than specialized builds, same with crude swing).

However, I will say Barrage is definitaly NOT a legitimate reason for Hammers having 2:1 Zealous while Bows would not. Obviously the developers agree that a single skill does not matter enough to give Bows less life stealing from Vampiric mods, why would they do the same with Zealous?

LifeInfusion · Mar 07, 2006, 03:59 AM // 03:59

I concur. This is why I avoid hammers. They take too long to build up adrenaline.

Zealous Bows are pretty okay, as long as on a fast refire rate like short bow. Tiger's fury I hate, but Read the wind is useful for speed.

Gizmo Loco · Jul 13, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Was going to post my own thread about this though search worked for a change!

Anyway, I was wondering about what the possibilites of this were - they buffed sundering to make it useful, why not buff zealous on a hammer? Wit hthe energy intensive style of hammers I feel it would be a great update to do.

NatalieD · Jul 13, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

2/1 is a bit much. If there were a way to do, like, 1.3/1, I'd /sign that.

Nevin · Jul 13, 2006, 12:30 AM // 00:30

/signed

art_ · Jul 13, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

2/1 is too big a buff imo. Im not sure the mechanics of gw allowed decimals on zealous though.

unholy guardian · Jul 13, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

i don't know 2/1 doesn't seem that bad, although if that fixed much of the energy problem hammer warriors might dominate too much, best armor + super crazy damage = nerf :\

Caleb · Jul 13, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

/why not!